A
Wake Up Call From Hell
Michael
Savage (Michael Weiner) Interviews Binyamin Netanyahu
Part
I
SAVAGE:
Mr.
Netanyahu, welcome to the Savage Nation. I know this is a terrible time for
America as well as for Israel, but can you tell us who you think is behind
this crime against humanity?
NETANYAHU:
There
is no question but there is a terror network that consists of several states;
Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, a few other middle eastern regimes and affiliated
groups, which include Bin Laden, the Hezbolah in Lebanon, and of course these
various terrorist groups operating under Arafat's PLO.
SAVAGE:
Is
Arafat connected? Do you think Arafat is connected to this act against
humanity?
NETANYAHU:
Well
I don't know about this particular attack, but various components of this
terror network support one another in materiel, often in intelligence. We know
Bin Laden has been cooperating with the Palestinian terror groups in Arafat's
domain for quite some time and they support each other politically. I think
that one must understand that this, as President Bush has said, this new
terrorism whose main engine is militancy against the west, has declared war on
the west and one the leader of the west of the United States. They are fueled
primarily by what is a fantasy and that is the idea that they'll reverse
history and reverse the rise of western democracy and restore their warped
interpretation of Islam. That's what they do and America stands in the way, so
America has to be destroyed. Now it's fantastic, but that's what they think.
Now it doesn't make any difference if there is one attack and you get Bin
Laden, it makes a hell of a difference if he's the one who did it and he
should get it, but there will be others after him because this is part of a
movement. It's part of a century old antipathy towards the west. And so it's
not enough to just apprehend the Kamikaze Squadron. You have to get the
aircraft carrier that is making possible other attacks by other Kamikazes.
SAVAGE:
So
what must be done? The aircraft carriers I assume are the states that sponsor
these terrorists.
NETANYAHU:
Well,
first of all you are at war because they are conducting these attacks against
you and they're making it possible. President Bush has said correctly that
what you have to go after is not merely the terrorist organizations, but these
states who harbor terrorists, let alone finance them, equip them, give them a
safe haven, dispatch them, give them political cover, and so on. I think
what's important to understand that what you saw in New York was a wake up
call from hell. Sure, five years ago I wrote a book, and I said if the Islamic
Militant terror groups are not stopped, then the next thing you'll see, as I
wrote in the book "Fighting Terrorism," is not going to be a car
bomb in the World Trade Center, but a nuclear bomb. OK, they didn't put in a
nuclear bomb, they just put in a 360 ton conventional bomb. But do you doubt at
all, that if Iran or Iraq acquire nuclear weapons or develop them (and they're
feverishly developing them) that they will one day make those available or
indeed be capable of such an attack on the United States? Can you tell me that
this will not happen? I think we are faced here with new forces that are not
susceptible to the old terms, to the sober calculations of cost and benefit.
These are not Soviets. This is not Communism. This is a different conception
of the world dominion that seeks to operate unlike Communism, irrationally. I
think Communism was completely irrational in its goal, completely irrational
on reversing human nature. But Communism was pursued absolutely rationally. Every time
the Soviets had to choose between their ideology and their lives,
they chose their lives. Whether in Cuba, the Cuban Missile Crisis, or in the
Berlin Crisis, or in any other crisis, they never ever put ideology above
life. These people put their fanatic hatred of the west, that goes back
centuries, they put that above life itself. Not only the lives of thousands,
and tomorrow millions of the hated infidels in the west, but their own lives
as well. So you cannot be sure that deterrence will work. Now how you
dismantle this terror in part is a different question. But should you
dismantle it, you should, in time because you have the power to do it. They
have the will to destroy the west, they don't have the power today. You have
the power today, we all do, the power to crush this terror network. What we
must now show is that we have the will to do so.
SAVAGE:
Well
there is the key fulcrum of our discussion. Does the west have the will?
Aren't we showing weakness in our lack of reaction thus far?
NETANYAHU:
No,
I don't think you need an instantaneous reaction and actually I am very
impressed with the strength that is communicated by the American people, it's
government, it's citizens, the people of New York, the leadership of New York,
Mayor Giuliani. I think it is admirable. I think there is self-constraint,
self control, there's enormous grief, but there's also patriotic strength and
a feeling that all the democracies have to unite in order to slay this evil. I
think America projects strength, not weakness.
SAVAGE:
I
am going to ask a very sensitive question, but I know you've answered it
before, so you'll take it please in context. If Israel did not exist would
these terrorists have attacked the United States?
NETANYAHU:
Well
it's interesting to hear the Taliban leaders, issuing a statement, saying that
he describes thee great enemies; the British, the Russians, and now the
Americans. For them, this is a war of civilization. For them, this is the war
of the believers against the Infidels. We happen to be a part of the main
infidel network. They don't hate America because of Israel. They hate Israel
because of America. They think that we are merely an out post of the three
western democratic civilizations that they hate so much. And you know the
antagonism of militant Islam towards the west goes back one thousand years,
for the Millennium before Israel was added to it's list of enemies. So I think
that if people think that, "oh well if we give Yassar Arafat land above Tel
Aviv," that this would make any difference. He'd like to be above Tel
Aviv because it would enable him to push us into the sea a lot earlier and
more easily. But it wouldn't make a world of a difference. Except for the fact
that a major out post of the United States, of the west, would be removed. I
tell you something, if Belgium were here, if Holland were here, if any other
western country were here, they'd attack us equally, so we're merely an
extension, in their view, of this western culture, working civilization, of
free society that they find so hateful, and so much deserving of eradication.
END
PART I